Heike Graf 144 meant like that. The motto for fighting racism is as follows: “It does not matter how it is meant; it does matter if someone is hurt or not”. The hosts wrap-up and ask, pedagogically: “what have you learned from it?” They advocate raising awareness and paying attention to feelings because you can hurt people by us- ing stereotypes. “Reflect more about what you say and do!” is the outcome of this episode. Also, this episode is provided with links for further exploration, including news articles on this issue. 5.2 The “how” f treati g the topic The topic of racism is not new, but the angle of every- day stereotyping and the hierarchization of cultures and shades of skin color, as well as the privileges of white people, are hardly discussed in the mainstream media. In order to also be heard outside of one’s own community and take part in the wider me- dialized public sphere, one has to adapt to media logics such as sticking out in some way as well as relating to established me- dia narratives (e.g., Galtung & Ruge 1965). Interestingly, in this podcast, the well-established and criticized mainstream media distinction, that is, the binary of “we” (the natives) and “them” (the others) is reversed by making “we” the others and “them” the natives. The addressed differences between the immigrants and the natives are both dealt with in humor and/or serious- ness, which attracts mostly young listeners. Contributions to this topic are from the human-interest angle, where personal experiences and feelings are told and in- scribed with importance and recognition. The personal experi- ences are almost connected to what is perceived as the real problem, which is seen as structural racism within the institutions of German society. Thereby, the legacy media are often blamed for failing to address this issue in a fair way. However, individual prejudices, especially within one’s own community and group of people of color, are likewise self-critically scrutinized in the fol- lowing sense: we are not only victims but have to be prepared to put our own house in order. Guests are usually invited to deepen the conversation and give a broader view. It is not done in a pro and contra manner but rather in an informal way of common understanding
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